Curse

Chikara · Jun 06, 2006, 06:15 PM // 18:15

Actually im thinking of including this skill in my critical strikes build, cause imo it's a great and versatile skill... ( indeed you have to skip AoD cause it's Elite too )
But my question is : does your critical strike hit your opponent even if he got reversal of fortune?!
Like we could use critical strike skill ( dual attack, auto crit,+31 per attack ) and it would damage even on enchanted opponent with reversal of fortune
... what's your thought on this...

SparhawkJC · Jun 06, 2006, 09:57 PM // 21:57

I haven't tested this out, but I would say that the first hit of critical strike would take out RoF and the second one would land and deal damage. Don't take my word for it though.

lightblade · Jun 06, 2006, 10:57 PM // 22:57

Dark Apostasy works great...if it don't get stripped off

swordfisher · Jun 06, 2006, 11:23 PM // 23:23

You're asking if the critical hit will strip the Reversal of Fortune before it triggers from the damage: no, the damage is processed first, then the secondary effect of the enchant strip. One of the two strikes will be reversed, and if there are enchantments underneath the RoF, up to two will be removed.

Chikara · Jun 07, 2006, 10:55 AM // 10:55

did you test it?

Terra Xin · Jun 07, 2006, 01:11 PM // 13:11

you don't need to, the answer is in the wording of the skill.

whenever you 'hit' the target, that target loses one enchantment. The 'hit' must apply first, before the enchantment stripping comes into effect. If this was not true, the skill would say:

"One enchantment is removed from target foe as you strike with a critical hit"

Now because the hit comes first, RoF reacts to the hit instantly and then it is removed.

Here is what needs to be tested:
Now effectively, Order of Apostacy would either skip RoF and remove the next enchantment because RoF ends when the target takes damage (and theoretically, it would end before the OoA comes into effect), or, OoA will unnecessarily remove RoF and you have a zero-effect.

LaserLight · Jun 07, 2006, 08:02 PM // 20:02

Reversal of Fortune is just one of those bastard skills you can't really do anything but grit your teeth and attack through, unfortunately. There's no real way to remove it often enough to make a difference, which is why Boonprots are so popular/powerful. You can Gaze of Contempt or Inspired Enchantment or whatever the first RoF, but you can't deal with the subsequent several.

It's why Apostasy, either Dark or Order of, isn't a very vital thing in most teams. if it could strip Reversal before it did anything, then every GvG team in Creation would be slinging Order of Apostasy. As it stands, it's a good way to rip through enchant stackers, but who uses those in any real serious way?

Chikara · Jun 07, 2006, 11:22 PM // 23:22

thanks for the help laserlight.
actually I'm trying to take another elite than AoD... but thats hard... so i test each elite every day...

Xasew · Jun 09, 2006, 01:58 PM // 13:58

Sorry to dissapoint you guys, but RoF gets removed first. Tested it a month or so back, and tested it again 2 minutes ago, and it does remove RoF before the damage, which means if you crit on a RoF with DA, the damage goes through.
Haven't tested with OoA, yet.

Chikara · Jun 09, 2006, 02:30 PM // 14:30

oh okay, thank you dude... makes DA really useful so...
i'm going to get this instead of AoD